Residents Present Case Against Memorial Field Lights
It was residents' turn to present their case against lights at Memorial Field.
Is Glenbard West High School's Memorial Field a "sport court?"
Jim Ozog, the attorney representing the opposition group, Our Field Our Town, feels he got the answer he was looking for through his line of questioning with Memorial Field architect Patrick Brosnan.
"The question Mr. Brosnan, simply is this: Memorial Field is a sport court under our zoning code isn’t it, sir?"
"You could interpret it that way, yes," said Brosnan.
The admission was crucial for Ozog, as it might help his group leverage its position with the district. Ozog also believes some judicial courts might interpret Memorial Field as a sport court, which means neighbors within 1,200 feet of the field could sue.
Because of the admission, Ozog later announced his belief that the field is in violation of the current village code, and hinted at the possibility of a lawsuit.
After the exchange with Brosnan, Ozog's group finally got the chance to present their side of the case. This presentation comes after the district presented its side of the case for lights.
A slew of residents and one expert witness testified on behalf of Our Field Our Town. Those residents consider themselves "experts" after researching certain subjects surrounding the issues raised by the variances requested by Glenbard High School District 87.
Former Village President Joe Wark was the first to testify on behalf of the group. He outlined the history of the field and how it was acquired by the school district.
Then, Mary Ozog—Jim's wife and District 87 board member—introduced video that was shot near her home. The videos were played to illustrate the type of noise residents in the area surrounding Memorial Field hear on a regular basis during game times. Adrianne Gregory, who is not a realtor, also testified as to how the installation of lights would impact the values of homes surrounding the field. Gregory's facts were mainly based on a survey conducted by realtors in Alexandria Falls Church, VA, that cited a probable decline in home values following the installation of stadium lights.
Licensed architect and certified planner, George Kisiel was the expert used to counter the district's zoning and variance requests. Kisiel asserted that the way the field is positioned is a "self-created hardship." According to Kisiel, a self-created hardship does not qualify the district for the approval of its requests. In the end, Kisiel said it comes down to,
"Is the property owner deprived of rights or deprived of their desires?"
Our Field Our Town will continue testimony at the next plan commission meeting, which is scheduled for Oct. 12 at 7:30 p.m.
Cynthia Mugnani
4:55 pm on Friday, September 30, 2011
If you don't like the noise a school makes then why buy a house so close to the school. The train that goes by on the track right next to the field and shown in your video makes a lot more noise. I guess train noise is not as bad a school kids if you bought a home so close to a train track as well. Maybe all those that live on Main St., Park Ave and Western Ave and have to listen to traffic noise ALL DAY should sue the village for letting cars drive on the streets.
Susan
5:36 pm on Friday, September 30, 2011
Cynthia, as someone who lives adjacent to Memorial, you are correct. The Trains are the biggest noise issue in this neighborhood. We bought here because we wanted to be close to the school and the activities that come with it. Tomorrow is GBW Homecoming and there will be a lot of traffic, bands playing and hopefully a lot of cheering! Go Hitters!!!
We support lights at Memorial (only until 10pm, with limited loudspeaker use and not on Sundays).
Jane
5:05 pm on Friday, September 30, 2011
The Glen Ellyn zoning code lists these uses as the ONLY permitted uses in the CR (Conservation/Recreation) zoning district:
"Only open space uses and PASSIVE recreation shall be allowed by permitted use in this district. ALL buildings, structures and PRINCIPAL ACTIVITY AREAS shall be allowed by SPECIAL USE only, unless specifically waived by the Building & Zoning Official upon review and approval of the Director of Planning & Development.
1. Agriculture, including incidential agricultural structures, but excluding livestock operations.
2. Open space, PUBLIC park and playground."
SPECIAL USES....
5. Public or private recreational facility where buildings do not occupy more than 10% of the site area."
Village Zoning Code 10-4-3
Maria
5:18 pm on Friday, September 30, 2011
People who highly value lighted football fields (or think that some how lights correlate with higher ACT scores) should have bought a house in Naperville!
Ramona
7:17 pm on Friday, September 30, 2011
Maria , it has been proven over and over that doing extra curriculars improves ACT scores. Thereiare tons of studies proving it. Why do you want the kids on buses, being shlepped to other fields all over town? Which is what is happening now. Now, will lights stop all the bussing? No, but every kid who can practice and then leave, the better!
Maria
7:39 pm on Friday, September 30, 2011
Then the District should have purchased property that was zoned for the proposed use!
People who wanted their kids to not have to ride buses to play field sports should have thought about that before they bought their homes in this school district!!
They all knew what they were buying into!
Ramona
9:53 pm on Friday, September 30, 2011
I never would assumed in a community ad nice as this that the kids would be constantly bussed to and fro! But, buying near a large public high school, you better expect kids and noise! The trains still make more noise than anything!
Maria
11:29 pm on Friday, September 30, 2011
We are talking about a variance for LIGHTS, not noise. There was no application for a variance to the noise standards.
Cynthia Mugnani
10:29 pm on Friday, September 30, 2011
I am sure if I hired a lawyer to sift through paper work he could find a loop hole in wording in anything to interpret it as a zoning code violation. The fact remains if you live by a school there is noise and just from sports. I actually think the sound of kids and kids participating in sports (as was shone in the video) is very pleasant. If that is something that bothers you regardless of what district you "buy into" then you shouldn't live there. And good luck with that because I don't know that many communities pride themselves on not having schools. And unless you are a completely childless home I don't know why you would object to the district that your child attends keeping up with the advancements that are all over the country, not just "Naperville".
Cynthia Mugnani
10:29 pm on Friday, September 30, 2011
*not just from sports
Maria
11:48 pm on Friday, September 30, 2011
I have no objection to schools keeping up with advancements, but they need to do it on property that is zoned for the use.
The District is attempting to change zoning with incremental zoning variances without applying for a special use permit and anyone who does this not a good neighbor and its not fair to property owners who purchased property with full knowledge of the zoning of the nearby property.
Now if the District and taxpayers would like to discuss just compensatation for the effected property owners for their loss of property value and loss of quality of life...
Cynthia Mugnani
12:03 am on Saturday, October 1, 2011
The video posted is arguing the noise standard because they are now trying to claim a zoning code violation in the installation of artificial turf at Memorial Field. That field was in use as a practice field for years before the turf was installed so it shouldn't be a surprise to surrounding residents who purchased homes near it that there is activity there.
Mark D.
8:14 am on Saturday, October 1, 2011
Maria-
Re-read your comments. Do you really think most people care about all the back and forth on variances, zoning request changes, ordinances, and possibly compensating people for their "loss" because of lights on a field.?
Change can be good for this community-
Brenda
8:53 am on Saturday, October 1, 2011
Yesterday's article indicated that the school had followed proper zoning codes, according to the village. It is my understanding that the "intent" of the zoning code is the key variable for consideration. It is also my understanding that "sport courts" were intended for transient situations, and Memorial Field is not transient.
Ramona
9:15 am on Saturday, October 1, 2011
This field had been used for sports LONG before the artificial turf was put in, so what is your arguement Maria, I don't understand???
Cynthia Mugnani
10:43 am on Saturday, October 1, 2011
Go West!
Samantha Liss
1:41 pm on Saturday, October 1, 2011
Hey Glen Ellynites!
I just wanted to remind everyone to be civil. It's absolutely fine to disagree but let's not get personal. I encourage everyone to use their first and last names, too. If you use your full name it makes you think twice about what you post. I know some of you disagree, and that's OK but let's make this a place where we can post our opinions without it getting ugly. At the end of the day, I'm sure most of you, no matter what side of the issue you're on, are neighbors and friends, so don't let this issue get in between your relationships. My rule of thumb is: If you wouldn't say it to one another on the block outside your homes then you probably shouldn't post it. I'm not discouraging comments, let's just keep it civil! Thanks everyone (now back to some football).
Marilyn
4:34 pm on Saturday, October 1, 2011
I'm not comfortable with the argument "You bought your house near a school, so what do you expect" line of reasoning.
I think people bought near the school that existed. They did not see a lighted stadium. they did not hear an augmented sound system. They saw trees, some tennis courts, and kids from the neighborhood as well as the school able to play on the grass. Now the neighborhood kids are locked out and the turf will have to be replaced every eight years. Give 'em a break, please.
To say they deserve whatever awful thing happens to that environment is a tad unfeeling. Sports don't dictate what we want. WE dictate what we want. We aren't helpless or passive. To argue that "it's inevitable" and "don't live near a school if you don't like what's happening" is not very neighborly. Nor is it true. We always get to say what we want. Let's have that referendum.
--Marilyn Wiedemann
Anne
8:07 pm on Saturday, October 1, 2011
Ditto the call for a referendum. Whether you are for or against it, this project impacts our town and neighborhoods too much to be decided by people who don't live here. Let the people who must live with the end result decide.
Ramona
8:53 pm on Saturday, October 1, 2011
If it does on a referendum, then people who don't live near the school will be able to vote on lights or not. If you live behind the Walmart, do you really care if West has lights? It really is not an issue that would be up for a referendum anyway, that is what elections and running on a board is for, to vote for your peers. Do you want to run to a referendum on everything? Whether a new awning on a coffee shop should be 6 inches longer? This is why we have meeting and all the committees, they are doing their jobs. I have been to 3 or the 4 meetings and I can't believe how drawn out and petty Mr Ozog and company are making this. I wish I knew what he had in stake in this. The amount of money and time OTOF has spent makes me think there is more to it. I am not sure what, but there has to be something behind the scenes.
Cynthia Mugnani
9:10 pm on Saturday, October 1, 2011
The light issue affects those with kids attending West currently and in the future whether they live close to the school or not. So the matter is not just for those that live around the field although it seems they think it is.
Ramona
8:07 pm on Sunday, October 2, 2011
Are you calling for a referendum for Glen Ellyn residents only? So, people behind Walmart could vote on lights at West? Their kids go to South. Or, would it be for everyone who is in the district? Because, then people in Glendale Heights, Carol Stream, Lombard and more would vote on what is essentially a local issue. You think that the cost of a referendum is a good use of tax payer money?? Isn't this why we set our village government up, to look into these issues and not have everything go to a referendum and expend that kind of money?
Ramona
9:16 pm on Sunday, October 2, 2011
Though OFOT group is not kidding about the traffic though. Yesterday, as I walked to the stadium to watch the Hilltoppers' homecoming victory, I had to wait for FOUR cars to pass before I could stroll across. It was crasy!!